Thursday, March 08, 2007

Republican Bloggers attack Vietnam Vets

For some strange reason, certain Republican National bloggers and some in Virginia are attacking Vietnam vets and their families. I noticed it, and I could not for the life of me figure out why. Reading with interest, I quickly found out why. According to them, Vietnam Vets and their friends, families, and supporters are planning to desecrate the Wall in DC on March 17, 2007. I read that and I was SHOCKED. Who would do such a thing? And why? As a child of a Vietnam vet and a person with familiar names on that wall, I was very offended.

But then I remembered that fact is not fiction, and vice versa. I did a quick Google search and I was HORRIFIED to see that the Republican bloggers of Virginia were lying and defaming our brave soldiers, past and present.

I don't care who you are and what you believe in politically, but you better damn well watch yourself if you are going to defame our brave veterans. Excuse me, but how dare you, and who do you think you are?

You know, I have gotten over some personal gripes with Republican bloggers in the past, but I cannot stand liars. Because certain sad Republican bloggers are spreading a vicious and despicable lie about American citizens and Vietnam Veterans, I feel I have to post the truth. The truth:
Tens of thousands of people will be gathering at Constitution Gardens at 12 noon near the Vietnam Memorial prior to the March on the Pentagon on Saturday, March 17. We will not be in the Vietnam Memorial and all speakers for amplified sound are turned away from the Memorial so as not to interfere with family members visiting the site. Constitution Gardens is the same location that ANSWER used for its mass anti-war rally on October 26, 2002. On March 17, 2007 we will leave Constitution Gardens and march on Constitution Ave. and then to Virginia on the way to the Pentagon.

The 58,000 U.S. soldiers who lost their lives in Vietnam and the millions of Vietnamese who were killed, died in a criminal war. The connection between Vietnam and Iraq could not be more clear. Iraq is also a criminal war of aggression. The central issue today, just as it was in 1967, is to bring the war to an end.

Thousands of veterans and military families, including those who have lost loved ones in Iraq, will be in the front ranks of the March on the Pentagon. Some tiny pro-Bush groups who support the war in Iraq, and who normally mobilize about 25 people to hold signs when massive antiwar protests take place, are now callously trying to manipulate Vietnam veterans by spreading rumors that the March on the Pentagon will defile the Vietnam Memorial. This lie should be treated with the same contempt that people have for the other lies promoted by Bush and his followers to justify an illegal war of aggression: Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction; Iraq was responsible for the September 11 attacks; and that the U.S. occupation would be greeted as an act of liberation by the Iraqi people. Enough lies. Enough deceit!
Honestly, the people defaming our veterans should be ashamed at their disgusting nature and support of the spreading of misinformation, or non-information if you will. To lump all against the war into a description of the worst of the worst is unfair, demoralizing, and hateful. Sorry, but like it or not, Vietnam vets are part of the anti-war group, so if you choose to bash every member, you are unknowingly and wrongly bashing Veterans and their families, friends, and supporters. I don't know if I can ever again believe that any one of the offending bloggers supports the troops, the Constitution, or the United States of America.

Update: More info here on the "peaceful pro war group" the Gathering of the Eagles (you can read their spokespeople call Democrats communists at that site if you like, or you can buy a T-Shirt that claims it's ok to kill liberals from their site here); seems they have members whom are just as hateful and violent than idiotic anti-authoritarian morons who show up at rallies. Hopefully, police will take care of anyone who acts inappropriately at the memorial. I realize the war supporters think that they have no violence on their side, but I also hope that they realize that they are not above the law. Their claims to be more moral than the rest of the country will still land them in jail for doing the things the group claims to want to do to protesters here (warning-pretty violent stuff from pro-war supproters).

I, of course, condemn anyone who would desecrate the memorial, including anti-war protesters and anyone who I may share an opinion with on politics, etc., up above in my very first few lines.

I cannot help but notice that the Republican blogosphere has simply attacked me instead of condemning the men and women who claim to be part if the group they are backing and pushing on others. I guess violence at the wall is ok with them, as ling as it's against "libruls".

Sad. Well, that's it for me and the pissing match. I am not going to get into some battle to defend which group is worse, the pro-war groups the Republican bloggers are defending that are spreading violence and hate, or anti-war groups I have nothing to do with. I simply wish that people would be responsible and tell the truth about the groups they are pushing and representing. If BOTH groups are violent, have some balls and condemn them both, like I did. Don't put up post after post about one group doing something without addressing the PLANNED retaliation that is out in the open and public knowledge. Republicans should not defend hate groups, even if they ARE pro-war.


Anonymous PM said...

Just remember what the GOP-Rove slime machine did to the vets who were running under the Demo banner in 2006.

8:04 PM  
Blogger Phriendly Jaime said...

And who can forget the tragedy that was Max Cleland?

8:08 PM  
Blogger Kat said...

Um, have you read or seen the Mission Statement of Gathering of Eagles?

A sample:
2. We are a non-violent, non-confrontational group. We look to defend, not attack. Our focus is guarding our memorials and their grounds.

3. We believe that the war memorials are sacred ground; as such, we will not allow them to be desecrated, used as props for political statements, or treated with anything less than the solemn and heartfelt respect they–and the heroes they honor–deserve.

4. We are wholly and forever committed to our brothers and sisters in uniform. As veterans, we understand their incredible and noble sacrifices, made of their own accord for a nation they love more than life itself. As family members, we stand by them, and as Americans, we thank God for them.

... You might want to read the whole thing. And this *IS* the official website of the organizers.

Perhaps you misread something?

-- Kat

8:10 PM  
Blogger I'm Not Emeril said...

I'm not sure what you've found or where you found it, but I assure you that you have seriously mis-read SWACGirl's post.

Perhaps this far left orginaization is where you should be directing your ire.

8:22 PM  
Blogger Phriendly Jaime said...

I'm not talking about the group and what it says it stands for. I'm talking about the lie that is that Vietnam Vets and other protesters would dare desecrate the Wall. If anyone does, they should be punished. However, to state that one MIGHT, without any thought as to what kind of hate and fear that spreads to people without knowing whether or not it will happen or is TRUE, is a problem with me.

I would hope that the groups were nonviolent, and I would expect nothing less out of them as they are to be near or on sacred ground, if you will. You probably read that the speakers will be away from the Wall as to respect those who come to visit.

I don't agree with everything that ANSWER says or does, but I do think you are kidding yourselves if you think that there are not Vietnam vets and their family, friends, and supporters in the anti-war group; I have a feeling you would be surprised at the amount.

8:26 PM  
Blogger Phriendly Jaime said...

And by the way, I went to that link, and it looks like the members of the Gathering of the Eagles are pretty angry and ready to roll.

If the Gathering of Eagles has anything to do about it, these people won't get near The Wall. If they try anyway, I think things could get a little ugly, because the Eagles won't stand for anyone desecrating the Memorial, and we all saw how the lefties behaved the last time they held a protest in DC.
Posted by: Miss Ladybug on March 6, 2007 10:36 PM

Guys, there is post after post like this. The reason? They all saw a comment by a moron on some other site who said some crap about spray paint. Another idiot replied, and another, and then it turned into the same stupid pissing match that your site came to.

I wasn't at the last DC protest in question, but I am sure that were there rampant vandalism, it would have been reported. I remember nothing of the sort of a protest I did attend hosted by ANSWER. In fact, I remember quite a bit of police forces in the areas where both the anti-war protesters and the supporters were together. There are organizers, and they aren't assholes. But I do see that there are some angry Eagles out there as well as some angry idiotic anti-authoritarian people on the blog that was linked to in the blog you sent me. In fact, both of those places have comments that are calling for violence, and they are all morons.

Like I said, I don't like the spread of "half the story" or giving attention to stupidity. But if you are going to claim that one group is violent and the other is not acting in the same immature fashion, you are going to have to address it.

8:39 PM  
Blogger yourworstnightmare said...

Oh, I don't know, they're posting their threats all over the internet. The fact that you've never received any of the troll droppings just indicates to me that you've never been on the receiving end of that kind of hatred.

You've obviously never seen these people up close and personal.

DeSA (Democratic eco-Socialist Alliance): My groups bringing Tee-shirt slingshots and balloons with red paint; see you at the wall LMAO!!

Cool Hand Jean: You realize that if you do that, you will be stepping over your constitutional right to Peaceful Assembly, and you will be stepping over into vandalism, and will end up in jail, right?….If you want to go protest, it’s your constitutional right, but I’d avoid the vandalism if you want to be taken seriously, and if you don’t want to go to jail. I believe it’s a felony to destory federal property.

DeSA (Democratic eco-Socialist Alliance): I have been to Jail, and I’m not scared of shit LOL Especially surrounded by 250k Comrades.

Cool Hand Jean: So, you are a terrorist? That looks like the making of an explosive device….
I think you are just a sad wanna-be. You would crap your pants if a policeman even came near you.

DeSA (Democratic eco-Socialist Alliance): OK, take a swing…what? you hit your computer screen instead LOL. You and your military pussies are free to cross our lines, but you will be beaten to a pulp. You won’t have to look for me, I have a Huge DeSA Flag with my Bolivarian Comrades from Florida; I’ll be close to the “Blood Wall”; Watch for raining PAINT! LOL Fucking Baby Killers!

I didn’t ask to be born in this ASS of a country. I am trying to leave, so I can spread the word that that U.S. is the worlds enemy and Europe most ally with the East and South America, and defeat the American Empire now while your WEAK AND PATHETIC, bogged down in 2 maybe 3 wars of Imperialism!

Cool Hand Jean: No one is forcing you to stay here…there are many people who would love to take your spot as a Citizen of the US…So, just move out and make room for someone who actually wants to be here.

DeSA (Democratic eco-Socialist Alliance): I think I’ll Stay a little while longer, The “Baby Killer” Wall Needs a Fresh Coat of Blood!

8:43 PM  
Blogger Phriendly Jaime said...

Dude, did you even read what I said? THEY ARE ALL MORONS. On both sides. On both sides, people are inciting violence and hatred. I am not condoning either. I am arguing the spread of the sick twisted thoughts of either party. Anyone threatening anyone at the Wall is an idiot, and I am sure that there will be police there to control the atmosphere. Believe me, if anyone does commit vandalism, I will condemn them.

8:53 PM  
Anonymous PM said...

It is an old trick, usually used by the established order, that the protest, or the meeting, or the assembly, or the union activity, etc. and etc., will be violent.

It's just another variation of the "fear" ploy Rove and his fear mongers use.

I would expect that anyone who dared desecrate the wall would be in jail for many years.

9:08 PM  
Blogger Phriendly Jaime said...

Agreed on all counts, PM.

9:15 PM  
Anonymous Big Dog said...

I know it is hard for liberals to understand that conservatives, especially those of us in the military, would never deface a war monument (or any other for that matter). I doubt any veterans in the anti war protest would do that (unless Kerry is there with someone else's medals to throw) but there will be a lot of snot nosed jackasses who have never served and who do not appreciate anything. These would be the same people who painted the Capitol steps or any of the countless other monuments.

We will be there in peace and we expect the anti war crowd to exercise their right to assemble and go protest at the Pentagon. If they do not get out of hand, which they normally do, there will be no problem.

Perhaps you should go around and read the postings by jackasses who are making threats. We vets are not afraid and we do not bow to threats. You won't find any CUT AND RUN people among us.

We respect the anti war crowd's right to protest, we defended that right, and we expect them to respect our rights as well. It would be to their advantage to do so.

10:13 PM  
Blogger Phriendly Jaime said...

I read the posts on both sites. Equal amount of stupidity. End of story.

10:16 PM  
Anonymous Devil Dog Family said...

Expect to see a large number of military and veterans on the "anti war" side dude.

Your opinion is not that of the whole military. And FYI no one is protesting Afghanistan - and their is NOTHING cut and run about diplomacy. In fact, I'm sure the troops would appreciate any diplomatic efforts.

11:45 PM  
Blogger I'm Not Emeril said...

No Jaime, it's not quite the "end of story". In your post you stated;

For some strange reason, certain Republican National bloggers and some in Virginia are attacking Vietnam vets and their families. I noticed it, and I could not for the life of me figure out why. Reading with interest, I quickly found out why. According to them, Vietnam Vets and their friends, families, and supporters are planning to desecrate the Wall in DC on March 17, 2007. I read that and I was SHOCKED.

Yet I see no references from you to any such thing.

Please enlighten me so I can join you in condemning my fellow conservatives who are guilty of such.

6:59 AM  
Blogger Phriendly Jaime said...

Alton, first of all, thanks for the links. Listen, I wish you guys wouldn't take all of this so personal. This is about condemning hate groups on both sides. Unfortunately, the GOE is indeed made up of some bad eggs who are condoning hate and violence. There is NO DOUBT IN MY MIND that none of the Virginia bloggers would particpate in that kind of crap, but we still need to call spades spades.

Now as to your question; you have to understand that every time you bash "anti-war protestors" (which was done, but since, posts have been edited/changed, so it may not be shown as prominent anymore) you are, in a sense, bashing members of the military. There are MANY vets from Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. that are DEEPLY against this war and may, in fact, be liberal. It is a fact, not fiction. So yes; attacks on vets were made.

In conclusion, you seem to be annoyed that the partisan email posted and the partisan website linked by the Republican side DOESN'T mention Vietnam vets as members of the group of attackers, but MY partisan site linked DOES. Well, tit for tat, my friend. That is, unfortunately, what this enire conversation has become about: 2 wrongs NOT making a rght.

I really am not in this to fight with you all, honestly. I know it is easier to say that and think that and post that and "own" me on a blog; truth is, I don't care. But this subject just hits home with me, and it offended me. I KNOW Vietnam Vets who are staunchly against this war; they are a part of the group you always defame. And it's just unfair to bash them because thay are no longer on your side after what they have sacrificed for this country.

9:02 AM  
Blogger Phriendly Jaime said...

Here's another account with lots of pics of the violence and anger of the pro-war movement. It's very unfortunate that this goes on, esp. after the offending party was thanked for their service from a podium by the evil leftists.

9:29 AM  
Anonymous Devil Dog Family said...

Yes, they are PRO WAR and PRO LIFE

How does that even make sense to them?

11:35 AM  
Blogger JohnDWoodSr said...

Attacking people because they MIGHT do something is the modus operandi for these thugs. Remember Iraq, and what they're about to do in Iran? Hate, slime, attack, and divide are the words they live by.

1:15 PM  
Blogger Phriendly Jaime said...

Good point. Tell me when it happens. Until then, quit yer whining and bitching.

1:32 PM  
Blogger JohnMaxfield said...

Still not seeing how SWAC Girl doesn't support the troops...perhaps there are some bad eggs involved--but there are bad eggs in any group of over 100. To over generalize with this type of post is dangerous and slanted. I can state for a fact that in our area, the pro-troop feelings have never been in better shape! Never have grassrooters been so committed! Never have they been more resolute! Never has this type of care and support been more spirited!

2:06 PM  

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